Now, what happens if, under some extreme circumstance that nobody could anticipate, it is not the submissive who screwed up so badly that she cannot be forgiven, but it is the Dom who screws up so badly that he cannot be forgiven? Cannot be forgiven with the usual methods, like caring and adult conversation from heart to heart, trying to sort it out. Because caring and adult conversation from heart to heart usually fixes things, right? Usually. And sometimes, it does not. Sometimes, one party remains wounded from whatever it was that went wrong. And if it is the submissive who remains wounded from the Dom's big-bad mistake, and if the healing process cannot proceed without a punishment-equivalent (in the same way that punishment would have cleansed the way if meted out by the Dom to the sub), then the only way forward that I can see would be for the submissive to remove her consent. In other words, for the submissive to remove herself. Remove her person. Remove her consent from the "safe, sane, consensual" dynamic. To hit the road and get some distance.
I got this idea from Sir RB whose punishment of choice (when punishment is required) is to remove himself from attending to his submissive. Removing himself -- withholding attention -- is that which would pain his sub the most. In similar fashion, I would argue that it is the submissive's duty to remove herself from a situation so severe that nothing short of that would begin the healing process. Instead of "punishment," mind you, it would likely fall under the category of "preservation." I read recently words that make perfect sense here: a submissive (or a slave) is a human being "with the obligation of right action toward themselves and toward others. ALWAYS." Thank you Sir Al. The obligation of right action towards themselves means, when the time for forgiveness is at hand but it cannot happen in the usual fashion (i.e. the heart to heart adult conversation that must, must, must happen because you respect each other and were friends first, before the shit hit the fan), then it is incumbent upon the submissive to effect a safe, sane removal of her consent. In my opinion.
The image above, incidentally, is from another art installation which is available for experiencing on LEA6, art by Fae Varriale. I call it an image of power, but whatever other people call it is equally valid. I realize that in my very narrowly-focused viewpoint about punishment and relationships, the vast spectrum of power dynamics at play in every single human relationship out there in the world is beyond the scope of the point I'm trying to make. I realize, too, that I look at D/s relationships (certainly my future one with You, Sir, whenever You propose it is time) as a form of justice, when that is not a necessary condition of human relations. Right action speaks volumes to me. Right reason. Right and wrong. To me, not necessarily to others. And, sometimes, it's not about right and wrong... sometimes it is the very definition of "arousing" for a Master to use his power simply because he can. Sometimes. Maybe it's not about right and wrong. Maybe it's just about power. And power is exchanged somehow: it is never destroyed.

Many are unable to differentiate between punishment, and discipline that is is used for correction and/or education. And since my punishments are typically far milder than my disciplines I am probably going to include myself in this group.
ReplyDeleteYou claim that you typically do not merit punishment. If by this you mean you feel entitled to disagree with your owner's feelings to the contrary, I suggest to your consideration that you may be on dangerous ground. An owned submissive substituting her judgment over her owner's? It is to be supposed that she has chosen her owner carefully. If suddenly she is sure that her judgment is superior to her owner's then she has chosen poorly. If her judgment is deficient in a matter that is critical to her welfare – a matter to which she should be applying her best judgment! – I suggest that her judgment is suspect in other areas.
While this is sufficient in itself to suggest you re-think your thesis there are practical considerations that bother me as well.
You discuss at length the consequences of an unforgivable crime. I suggest that judging a crime unforgivable should be a last resort, not an early conclusion, for those involved in any relationship whether D/s or vanilla. It is reasonable that those who focus on a subject do not consider the matter hypothetical but rather something to be expected and thus prepared for. I suggest to your careful consideration that someone who feels a significant range of acts to be unforgivable is unreasonable or intolerant by nature.
Another practical consideration is the circumstances under which this judgment is made. These will be emotional. My experience strongly suggests that a major part of submission is an emotional tie on the part of the submissive. Accordingly any transgression will generate its own spate of emotion. Judgments rendered under emotional circumstances are rarely (if ever) appropriate. Usually there will not have been an investigation to determine whether what the submissive believes reflects reality. Without an unclouded picture of the matter under consideration a realistic evaluation is just not part of human nature.
I do agree totally that the sub should remove herself if she finds she has given ownership to a dishonest or evil or otherwise inappropriate dom. It does not require the commission of a crime, unforgivable or not, to decide this has happened. It is a reasonable course of action to withdraw from something that is not working. It is unreasonable to assume that a single act will render irrelevant everything that has gone before. Every relationship will have some truly rough spot during its course. That is simply the human condition. One swallow does not a summer make. One act does not invalidate all that has gone before. It seems far more likely that anyone who proclaims this has happened was not committed to the relationship.
1. I would be interested in knowing why your disciplines are more severe than your punishments, given that a punishment is for wrongdoing and a discipline is for maintenance. Please feel free to elaborate if you want to.
ReplyDelete2. I do not mean that I feel entitled to disagree with my owner's feelings to the contrary; not in the least. What I mean is that I have never had to disagree with my owner's feelings on the matter: I do not behave in a way that merits punishment, by and large. Nobody's perfect, but so far my behaviour is not punishable. Some people beg for it. I strive to avoid it. My judgment has nothing to do with it: my striving attitude is all.
3. You made faulty assumptions in number 2, so number 3 does not merit I rethink my thesis at all. Clarity on what is punishment and what is discipline would probably be helpful, though, and I'll ask a few people their thoughts on the matter.
4. You've gone well beyond the scope of my argument. My point is that punishment shouldn't be thrown around as discipline, and at the same time I do admit the possibility of punishment nevertheless. It's a subtle point. I am pleased with it.
5. This is a veiled conversation of its own that has nothing to do with my argument on punishment and discipline, but I will address it anyway. You say, "These will be emotional." You don't know how every single dom makes every single decision. Your arrogance with your version of the Capital T Truth is a fascinating study, but it is only one reason why I ended our communication in-world.
6. Ditto for this comment, but I'll address it anyway because it is interesting to me. You say, "It is unreasonable to assume that a single act will render irrelevant everything that has gone before." The single best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Colour me hip to what I foresee as your future behaviour, which has everything to do with why I do not wish you on my friends list, but thanks anyway for your comments. Nobody ever said you were dull to talk to.
I think I can answer 1/ immediately. How it came about was in 2 separate parts. Why it continues is simply because it is working adequately if not well under current circumstances.
ReplyDeleteA pattern for discipline was developed early. The first few instances were not thoroughly and rigorously planned. However they were effective. I tend to stick with what works. "If it ain't broke don't fix it." A pattern was established, all were comfortable with it, it continues to be effective, so the pattern has been maintained.
On the other hand the first punishment was given a lot of consideration. The situation by definition was quite serious, as would be the consequences of a misstep in the punishment. As well, my philosophy is that punishment applied should as much as possible reflect the misdeed rather than be some random act of pain/discomfort/whatever. I came up with a punishment that was mild. Some would even say it was bland. However it was totally appropriate, and it was stunningly effective. Again, since this approach works I have stuck with it.
So the disparity developed in large part by accident. Since it continues to be effective it is maintained. If this changes it will be re-evaluated, but not until then,
I'm very pleased for you that it continues to be effective. "Continues to be effective" is a loaded phrase, mind you: does that mean you require having to punish on a regular basis? If that is the case, then I would argue against its effectiveness. Of course, if one or both parties enjoys punishment, that's another story altogether -- and effectiveness is measured in joy, in that case.
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